﻿<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"><channel><title>Mossy Oak Forum / Hunting / Whitetail Deer </title><generator>InstantForum.NET v4.1.3</generator><description>Mossy Oak Forum</description><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/</link><webMaster>noreply@mossyoakobsession.com</webMaster><lastBuildDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:26:12 GMT</lastBuildDate><ttl>20</ttl><item><title>Truck Gear</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic32560-17-1.aspx</link><description>My father in law just got a plasma cam machine and we scanned in our Whack 'Em &amp; Stack 'Em logo and made this over the weekend.  We thought it was pretty cool idea for a license plate.  I know it looks close to the ground but its actually 18 inches off of it. Truck is going up 6"  this weekend so it wont ever come close to touching even in offroad situations.  Feel free to provide feedback.  Hopefully we (Team Whack 'Em &amp; Stack 'Em) will have our website up and running soon and we can show some more of the accessories and apparel we make.  Thanks for viewing.</description><pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:46:32 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>WhackandStack</dc:creator></item><item><title>want to be a MOSSY OAK whitetail field pro-staff in Illinois, Missouri or Kansas</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29999-17-1.aspx</link><description>The Mossy Oak Pro staff is going to become the largest pro staff in the industry by the end of 2008. What I am doing is laying the ground work for the Mossy Oak Whitetail Field Pro-Staff team in the states of Illinois, Missouri and Kansas. We currently have 25 +or- regional Field Pro-Staff positions available. We are looking for outdoor enthusiasts who love to hunt and enjoy the outdoor lifestyle that the Mossy Oak Brand represents.  &lt;br&gt;Thanks,&lt;br&gt;Terry Missey&lt;br&gt;Mossy Oak Pro-Staff&lt;br&gt;Whitetail Manager&lt;br&gt;Illinois / Missouri / Kansas&lt;br&gt;Mossy Oak Brand Camo&lt;br&gt;terrymissey@allaboutgame.com&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:43:03 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>wolfpackleader</dc:creator></item><item><title>Do You want to be on the Mossy Oak Whitetail Prostaff ?</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29731-17-1.aspx</link><description>Hello all. We are laying the ground work for the Mossy Oak Whitetail Prostff. We are looking for individuals that have the the drive and determination to fill the postions we currently have available. If you are interested in applying for Prostaff positions in West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina, or South Carolina please email me at spraylinex@yahoo.com. I will email a copy of the application to print and fill out. Please return it to the address provided on the applicatiion. Upon receipt of the application I will contact you to discuss any questions or concerns I may have. Thank you for taking the time to read this post and Thank you for wearing the most inovative concealment system on the planet. Mossy Oak Brand Camo!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bucky Hauser &lt;br&gt;Regional Prostaff Manager&lt;br&gt;WV,VA,NC,SC</description><pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:58:48 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>taylorwho1</dc:creator></item><item><title>WORLD RECORD SHED!</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30834-17-1.aspx</link><description>This amazing shed is the current World Record - scoring an incredible 95 6/8” &lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/w00t.gif" border="0" title="w00t"&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Imagine this buck alive.......... then double the 95 6/8” and then add in apprx 20” inside spread (maybe even some more mass) and you’re talking a World class 10 Pointer scoring over 210”. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;img src="http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l291/greghopper/DSCN3083.jpg"&gt;     &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;                  Comparing it with the Jordan Buck.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;img src="http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l291/greghopper/DSCN3088.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:26:13 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>BowBo</dc:creator></item><item><title>Roping a Deer</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic33762-17-1.aspx</link><description>Roping a Deer...Names have been removed to protect the stupid!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actual letter from someone who writes, and farms.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple weeks, then kill it and eat it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I fugured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i filled the cattle feeder the hid down at the end with my rope. The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it. After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up--3 of them. I picked out a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end ao I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation. I took a step towards it...it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope and then received an education.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first thing that i learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That Deer EXPLODED.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The second thing i learned is that pound for pound, a deer is ALOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and some dignity. A deer--no chance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A brief 10 minutes later,it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes relize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was no love at all between me and the deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of resonsibilt for the situation we were in, so I didnt want the deer to have it suffer a slow death, so I manged to get it lined back up in between my truvk and the feeder--a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute. I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, when a deer bites your, it is not like being bit by a horse where they bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head--almost like a pit bull. They bit HARD and it hurts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for sveral minutes, but it was likely only sveral seconds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I, being smarter than the deer 9though you may be questioning that claim by now) tricked it. While i kept it busy tearing the bejesus out of my arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hovves are surprisingly sharp. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I learned a long time ago that, when an animal--like a horse strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily, the best ting to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal. This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I screamed like a women and tried to trun and run.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that ir will hit you in the back of the head.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So no I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope so that they can be somewhat equal to the prey.</description><pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:10:00 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>cherokeecustomcalls</dc:creator></item><item><title>Is anyone finding antlers?</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30850-17-1.aspx</link><description>Bueller....Bueller.....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The site seems slow on shed antlers.  Anyone finding any?  I'm still at three this year. Not near as good as last year.</description><pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:15:06 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>TOM</dc:creator></item><item><title>Shed Pic</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic32044-17-1.aspx</link><description>My buddy sent this to me this week.  His friend was out turkey hunting and found this shed.  He is holding it out for the camera a little bit but it is still one heck of a shed.  I don't know the guy that found it so I covered up his face just in case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/APSU/Part.jpg"&gt;</description><pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:27:12 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>TrailCamMan</dc:creator></item><item><title>Taking handicapped kids hunting</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic33756-17-1.aspx</link><description>Dewey Richardson of Black Death deer Urine has created a new Hope Outdoors that will start chapters in LA, MS and Ark. it is a non-profit organization to help handicapped or physically challenged youths and adults &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We met tonight for 3 hours and I have accepted an appointment to the Board Of Directors. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We have numerous hunts donated free at Black Hawk Plantation in Louisiana, one of the premier big buck high fence operations in the south. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The youths being taken on these hunts will be physically or medically challenged, or terminally ill. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have spoke with a judge today, he runs a 10,000 acre, managed club, south of Baton Rouge. He is getting it set up to take 3-4 handicapped kids hunting for HOPE this year. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can think of no greater personal or spiritual reward than helping some of these kids and adults on an adventure hunting, fishing, or shooting skeet, that otherwise would never have the opportunity, or may not live for many more years. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This organization will be launched nationally in 2009 with hopes of having one or more chapters in every state. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have pledged myself to this endeavor and would like for anyone who can participate in anyway to help make these outing happen, to contact me. It may be nothing more than volunteering to spend a weekend on the hunt helping these persons get to and from a stand, cook, play music, help to find hosts to offer hunts, or donating lodging and hunts at your club. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If we can get members in our region to help film some of these hunts, it would be a blessing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those who are far away, can try to find someone willing to sponsor or host a hunt for a few kids and set it up, and hopefully get support in their area and start a chapter there later down the road. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jimmy (DOODAA)and I have made a mutual decision to use some hunts already filmed, in the MOTV.com tv shows he is putting together for Team Hammerdog, and provide advertising in each show for this organization. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is a Christian based foundation and offers non-denominational ministry of GOD and what he is capable of doing, by HIM helping to make these hunts possible and the christian love of all the volunteers who donate their time and effort.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our sponsor list is growing daily.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The website is being built but here is a link and read the story..........&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.hopeoutdoors.org&lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:34:28 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>RajunCajun</dc:creator></item><item><title>Salute to the 07/08 Mossy Oak season</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic24987-17-1.aspx</link><description>I made a little video of some of our kills from this season.  I tried to catch all of the pictures that were posted so if I missed yours I apologize.  Enjoy!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v458/APSU/?action=view&amp;current=MossyOakSlideShow.flv" target="_blank" class="SmlLinks"&gt;&lt;img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/APSU/th_MossyOakSlideShow.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description><pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:40:25 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>TrailCamMan</dc:creator></item><item><title>"Holy castrated buck Batman!"</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic32752-17-1.aspx</link><description>&lt;a href="http://www.prairiestateoutdoors.com/images/uploads/buck.jpg" target=_"blank" class="SmlLinks"&gt;http://www.prairiestateoutdoors.com/images/uploads/buck.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is from the Prarie State Outdoors site.  The blogger says the pic just came in with no info other than being called "The Medusa Buck".&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That's ugly!</description><pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:13:16 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>xOZx</dc:creator></item><item><title>Mossy Oak Field Staff oppenings for IA MN WI MT ND SD WY NE</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic33387-17-1.aspx</link><description>We are laying the groundwork for the Mossy Oak Field Staff We are looking for outdoor enthusiast who love to hunt and enjoy the outdoor lifestyle that the Mossy Oak Brand represents to fill the positions we currently have available. If you are interested in applying for Field Staff positions in Iowa Wisconsin or Minnesota please drop me a email at bkpollard@iowatelecom.net. If interested in Montana N Dakota S Dakota Wyoming or Nebraska please e-mail Jim Brennan at jim@montanadecoy.com One of us depending on your location will email a copy of the application to print and fill out. Please return it to the address provided on the application. Upon receipt of the application we may contact you to further discuss your benefits and duties and answer any questions you may have.&lt;br&gt;Remember its not just a passion…..it’s an obsession. &lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:26:53 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>iaarcher00</dc:creator></item><item><title>MO success thread lets just put pics so we all can just scroll through</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic20445-17-1.aspx</link><description>ok&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/hilltophunter/100_1806.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/hilltophunter/100_1836.jpg"&gt;</description><pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:29:53 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Hilltophunter</dc:creator></item><item><title>HUNT BIG BUCKS</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic33096-17-1.aspx</link><description>IF you like to see lots of deer and get a chance at harvesting at least a POPE &amp; YOUNG BUCK with a bow, and want to be partners on a 500 acre lease in pike county illinois. call randy 662 571 2369</description><pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:50:00 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>nebo</dc:creator></item><item><title>Illinois WMA???</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic32252-17-1.aspx</link><description>I am looking very hard at going to Illinois this upcoming deer season and was wondering if anyone here had hunted any WMA's in Illinois. I have one in mind it's Chauncey Marsh that joins Red Hills. Red Hills is Bow Only but I am hoping to get drawn for a NR firearms permit so I can hunt Chauncey Marsh. Anyone have any input about either of these? Thanks in Advance. Also, does the Illinois WMA's have certain quota hunts or are the WMA's just sign in?</description><pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:33:23 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>TacomaHunter</dc:creator></item><item><title>New to this sight Check out my 06 &amp; 07 Bucks</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30997-17-1.aspx</link><description>My 06 buck Grossed 169" typical, As a Non Typ. he was 178"&lt;br&gt;My 07 buck Grossed 164" typical.&lt;br&gt;I'm very proud of both! Gotta Love Iowa.&lt;br&gt;I think I'm going to like this site.</description><pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:24:38 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>psdeerhunter</dc:creator></item><item><title>High water deer</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic32162-17-1.aspx</link><description>I just saw these on another forum.  Supposedly high water made these deer retreat to higher ground.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj205/chaneylake/DSC03088.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj205/chaneylake/DSC03087.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj205/chaneylake/DSC03086.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj205/chaneylake/DSC03082.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt; [/quote]</description><pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:08:55 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>TrailCamMan</dc:creator></item><item><title>I shot a 300 lb doe! Have you?</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30514-17-1.aspx</link><description>I took this old girl Dec. 3 rd of '04 Weighed in at 300 dressed out.</description><pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:53:52 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>garylloyd</dc:creator></item><item><title>Pop -Up Ground Blinds On Public Lands</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30851-17-1.aspx</link><description>Here in Ohio during any of the gun seasons, you need to wear a coat or a vest of hunter orange. There are a lot of people who use the pop-up ground blinds on public lands. They get the orange coat on and climb inside the blind, close the windows and look from behind the camouflaged mesh netting. It is not mandatory to put any orange on the out side of the blind. They recommend it, but don’t enforce it. These blinds are meant to conceal the hunter from the deer, not other hunters. I think this is very dangerous and could be a deadly mistake. I would hate to see or read of such a preventable tragedy.  I use a pop-up myself. I don’t use one on public lands during gun season. I want every hunter in the woods to know where I'm at. &lt;br&gt;  The past 2 season seamed to be the season’s of ground blinds. Specifically the camouflaged pop-ups. They were every where on the public lands in north west Ohio. Some could be seen easily, others were very well concealed. I myself had gotten within 30 yards of one before I seen it. &lt;br&gt;   There are a lot of gun hunters in Ohio. Most of these guys only hunt deer during that time. I have seen people start shooting at the first glimpse of a deer. Not paying attention to the down range side. &lt;br&gt;  I want as many people as possible to read this. I have thought of sending this out to the manufacture’s of pop-ups. If they would make a orange cover, such as a rain fly on a tent. It would be in the carrying bag for use when needed.&lt;br&gt;  This has also gone out to the Ohio DNR. To at least get them to consider putting it in the rules and make it mandatory for gun season on public lands.  &lt;br&gt;    &lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:15:20 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>garylloyd</dc:creator></item><item><title>Shipping crates stand continued......</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic31274-17-1.aspx</link><description>It was kind of a rainy day project this weekend.I got to work on this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well this is what I have been working on.Everything I was planning on doing was not panning out.So I switched to back-up plan 2-b.Ffrriday Night I made a trip to Lowe's and bought some lumber and Hardware.Started by cutting the door and laying out the windows.&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/Fridaystart.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/start2.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/windowstart.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/doorstart.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Got up Sat. and resumed the last cuts on the window for them to open.Friday night I had made the framwork and cut the top and bottom,screwed in the hinges and all was left was to make the side cuts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/working.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;Put in a shelf for the all important Dt. Mt. Dew. or Bino or shells.&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/Shelf.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did a little painting.Not really what I was going to do.But it was all free paint that I had at the house.&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/closed.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/Stand.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/Start.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Put in the High-tech window closures.&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/Windowlatch.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last thing I did today was lay some carpet in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/Carpet.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Got the window mesh and roof on Sunday.&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/HEADHUNTER421/Final-1.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;with the boxes being free and already having the paint and tin.&lt;br&gt;I am still in it for about $100 worth of lumber,srews,hardware.carpet and etc.</description><pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:09:22 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>HeadHunter</dc:creator></item><item><title>New To Mossy Oak Forum</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic31508-17-1.aspx</link><description>Wanted to say Hello to everyone here. I just joined the Mossy Oak forum tonight.  I look forward to chatting with you folks as we get ready for another great hunting season.</description><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:07:18 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>WhackandStack</dc:creator></item><item><title>'07 Deer Pics - SE Ohio</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic31657-17-1.aspx</link><description>Here is the buck I shot in Ohio this past season he was a 21 inch wide main frame 8 with 2 kickers on the left side.  145 grain Muzzy did its job and it put it down within 60 yards.  This was my lil Trick or Treat special killed on October 31st trailing a doe. &lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:54:39 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>WhackandStack</dc:creator></item><item><title>Prostaffers in WV,VA,NC, SC</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic31490-17-1.aspx</link><description>Still looking for a few staffers in the areas around:&lt;br&gt;(NC) Charlotte, Asheville, Greensboro, Coastal Carolina&lt;br&gt;(VA) Ricmond, Lynchburg, Roanoke, Coastal VA, Northern VA&lt;br&gt;(SC) Central,Upstate, and Coastal&lt;br&gt;(WV) Wheeling&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are interested in any othese areas please email your intent to mossyoakpro@yahoo.com&lt;br&gt;I need people that are serious about these positions.</description><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:12:08 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>taylorwho1</dc:creator></item><item><title>KY,IN,OH,MI    Mossy Oak Whitetail Prostaff</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29853-17-1.aspx</link><description>Welcome to the obession!  If you are interested in applying for a Mossy Oak &lt;b&gt;Whitetail&lt;/b&gt; Prostaff position and live in Kentucky,Ohio,Indiana or Michagan. Please email me at parrott@awesomeantlers.com  Thank you for supporting Mossy Oak.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Parrott&lt;br&gt;Whitetail Prostaff Manager&lt;br&gt;KY,IN,OH,MI&lt;br&gt;parrott@awesomeantlers.com &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:02:04 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>parrott</dc:creator></item><item><title>When a DOG steals......</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30430-17-1.aspx</link><description>.&lt;br&gt;When a dog steals your thunder...............................&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/flsears/DogThief.jpg"&gt;</description><pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:31:39 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>BowBo</dc:creator></item><item><title>Info on hunting Ill.</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30339-17-1.aspx</link><description>My brother lives in Adams co. in Ill. just outside of Quincy. He has offered to let me hunt there this next season. What do I need and how much is a tag?</description><pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:51:28 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>garylloyd</dc:creator></item><item><title>Dues Paid !  Stories of hunts over the years.</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30181-17-1.aspx</link><description>Dues Paid ! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    I wrote this story a few months ago. And posted it on my page at My Hunting Room. It has been featured as the story of the month. Might not be a well known site , but it's a start. If you have time to read it , here is the link.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Try to copy and then paste it to your browser&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;              http://myhuntingroom.com/index.php?login_error=1&amp;return=sn_manage_profile&amp;returnid=&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;   Dues paid!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;   I have been hunting whitetail deer for nearly twenty years. I have had good success at harvesting meat. I have taken a couple of small bucks. My first deer , a 7 point I took on private land and a 4 point I took on a draw hunt. I’ve blown it on a lot of big, book class deer. Either the shot or the setup. &lt;br&gt;   The 2003 deer season started off very well. I harvested a yearling doe during bow season, in the urban zone. Opening day of gun season, I harvested a mature  doe on public land, using my either sex tag. I headed back to the urban zone with one doe tag left. I was shocked when I seen an old 12 point walk out on the logging trail, 50 yards to my left. I drew a bead on his shoulder and said to myself out loud“. If I only had a tag”. I watched as the 180 class buck walked off threw the pines.&lt;br&gt;   The next year during the 2004 bow season. I hunted a small cut bean field near my home. There was a giant buck in the area. Many people had seen him, including myself. I set up at the edge of the field under a tree. I was getting very cold and was ready to call it a day. I leaned forward to look down the tree line. That’s when I seen the big boy heading into the field about 150 yards away from me. The cold I was feeling was gone. Replaced by warm pumping blood in my veins. The buck was at least 5 ½ years old . A lot of mass on his 12 point rack . The 160+ class buck got out about 50 yards and turned in my direction. He fed toward me and turned again now closing the distance. I came to full draw at 22 yards. I started to raise the bow to get my pin sight on him. That’s when I started hitting branches above me. I cut a nice area out , but never drew my bow to test the height. Needless to say the giant was gone in a flash. &lt;br&gt;    My next encounter with a big buck was on opening day of bow season 2005. I had over slept and did not meet up with my two hunting buddies. I found their truck in one of the parking lots of the nearly 2500 acre public lands. I chose to go to a different area instead of trying to find them. I slipped onto a ridge and down the draw. Set up in my climber and waited for day break. Shortly after shooting light. I spotted movement in the thickets at the top of the ridge. This buck that walked out at 30 yards was magnificent. A large bodied 10 point with ivory white antlers. 4 ½ to 5 ½ year old, at least a 15o-160  class deer. I slowly drew my bow. Put my 30 yard pin just behind his right shoulder. I let it fly. The arrow hit a small limb out in front of me that I had not seen. I heard (thwack) as my arrow buried in a sapling. The buck turned and ran back to the thickets.&lt;br&gt;   The 2006-2007 season , I started off seeing deer the first day. Same ridge as last year. My best friend and I, were 50 yards apart. We had a lot of hunters around us after day light.( That is the only down fall to hunting public lands). I was ready to get down and move at 11:00 am. As I was putting my range finder and other gear away. I spotted an 8 point staring at me. I froze, not wanting to spook him. He was on the move, circling to get my scent. I got my friends attention and using pre arranged hand signals, let him know of the buck coming his way.  He did get a shot, but bounced his arrow off a small tree. The rest of bow season went as well did gun season.&lt;br&gt;   During the fall of ‘05 I had bought a house in the country. There is a small 3 acre wood lot , in the middle of the fields, behind my home. I was able to get writen permission to put up my ladder stand, and hunt there. We see a lot of deer out there on a 10-12 day pattern. The trick is getting to the stand. I told my wife, I have to get in there before the deer do. I have been busted on more than one occasion approaching the woods. &lt;br&gt;   I had enough with gas prices. This season had been expensive. The public land were almost 100 miles one way. When I told my buddies I was going to hunt the woods out back during black powder, they got upset that I was breaking tradition. They knew it is not big enough for all of us.&lt;br&gt;    I started out to the woods the afternoon of  December 29th. I stopped at my neighbors wood pile to glass the edge of the woods. I seen a doe being chassed by a wide racked 10 point. I went back to the house, and asked my wife to drive me around the block. I slipped up to the north east corner of the woods and stayed there.  My family told me latter , the deer stayed on the south edge of the woods untill dark. I did break down the next day and rode with my friends back to the public area. On the drive back that night , I let them know I was staying home on the last day . &lt;br&gt;   The last day of Muzzle loader was December 31 2006. I was in the wood lot well before day break. The morning was crisp, a soft breeze from the south west. My stand is on the east end of the woods, 10 yards in off the field. I got real cold and discouraged and headed to the house at 9:45am. I woke my wife for work, and warmed up a little. She had asked if I would take her to work.” I ‘m going back out there “  I told her. I was back on stand at 10:30am. I watched a couple of hunters walk out to the woods east of my location. Shortly after that I heard the familiar sound of a deer running threw the leaves. It was the wide racked 10 point. Coming down the tree line toward me. He must have gotten  my wind , because he turned to his right and jumped the over grown fence line at thirty yards, quartering toward me on the run. I grunted a couple of times trying to stop him. Nothing doing, he has done this before. Now at 25 yards still running , quartering away I had one shot and one chance. I took carful aim with the T/C  cap lock. Keeping up with the bucks speed, I squeezed off the shot.  As smoke was blowing in the wind and the report of the shot rang in the woods, I seen the buck spin like in a uturn. He is now walking off slow. Franticly I reload, watching as the buck stops at 90 yards. I aimed and shot. The big racked buck turned and walked off to the west, going deeper inside the woods. The second shot must have missed him. I watched him with my glasses and lost sight of him. I sat down and tried to gather my nerves from what just took place. I waited for a life time it seamed. I called my buddy on my cell and told him of the mornings events. “Did you get him” he asked. I don’t know yet , I replyed. After the call I got down and started looking for sign.  At the location of the first shot, I found lots of hair. I followed turned up leaves, finding some hair along the way to the second shot area, still nothing, not even a drop of blood! Now I’m getting worried. I looked for 45 min. between the two locations and found nothing. I was beside myself. I decided I would go to the house and wait for my buddy to get there. I walked in the direction the buck went. That’s when I seen legs, from behind a big oak. I walked around the tree to see his big rack sticking up. I can not describe the feeling that came over my at that moment.  I hit the big boy a little far back , but still got a hard angel into the liver. He was only 100 yards from my stand. I recovered the round ball, it was lodged between the skin and a rib bone it went threw. &lt;br&gt;   I recently had the buck scored. Net score is 131 6/8 and after deductions goes 124 7/8. Reguardless of him not making book. The buck is my trophy of a life time</description><pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:57:10 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>garylloyd</dc:creator></item><item><title>--&amp;gt; GOT MY BIG BUCK TONIGHT!!!</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic20335-17-1.aspx</link><description>Well, I've passed on a MANY smaller bucks so far this season. I'll have to go back through my journal to see just how many.... but it's been a lot. I've been very blessed to see the number of bucks that I've seen this year so far.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well tonight, I decided to fill my tag! We've got quite a few bigger bucks on trailcam this season, but my only goal was to take one bigger than the one I have on the wall....... and I certainly did that tonight!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He's no monster, like what's been showing up on some of the forums around here... but he is MY TROPHY buck for this season!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I went buck-less last year.... looking for one bigger than the one I've got mounted. But not this year... I finally found one that makes me happy for this season!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Next year... on to bigger and better things! Gotta have something to look forward to... right?!?!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've got to give a big THANK YOU to my good buddy TheRomer!!! He has been very kind in letting me trailcam, and hunt his family property with him! It has been a BLAST hanging out, trailcamming, and hunting with him..... he's the BEST! Thanks buddy!!!!!!!!!  &lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/BigGrin.gif" border="0" title="BigGrin"&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyhooooo, here he is... and he's got a sweet kicker (6 1/8" long) coming off his right base.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;img src="http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/ERNIEMOSLEY/111.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;img src="http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/ERNIEMOSLEY/112.jpg"&gt;</description><pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:00:29 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>BowBo</dc:creator></item><item><title>Dalton , WI.  Monster</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30598-17-1.aspx</link><description>My broyher sent me this. Shot by an Amish boy near Dalton , WI.  His parents wouldn't let him pose with the deer. The guy is a friend of theirs.&lt;br&gt;  Has any one seen this yet?</description><pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:19:38 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>garylloyd</dc:creator></item><item><title>Anyone from around Western NY ? How did everyone do during 2007 season?</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30513-17-1.aspx</link><description>After seeing a lot of deer including 3 or 4 bruisers during pre- season the weather &lt;br&gt;Just would not cooperate it seemed. We still scored but the weather really was &lt;br&gt;a factor during most all of archery &amp; shotgun season here in Western NYS around Wyoming County anyhow. So was just wondering if anyone else experienced the same type of Problems&lt;br&gt;with the weather. Well Good luck be safe&lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/BigGrin.gif" border="0" title="BigGrin"&gt;&lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/Cool.gif" border="0" title="Cool"&gt;</description><pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:49:10 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>justmewally</dc:creator></item><item><title>Ray Gun in Iraq</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic28600-17-1.aspx</link><description>Pretty cool weapon featured on 60 Minutes tonight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Google: 60 Minutes&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then in their search box in CBS news enter "Ray Gun"&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have to wait for a commercial to run (not too bad, batteries used in P.A.S.S. device) but then you can watch the report.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gun will be deployed in summer. They could use it in many places around the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:02:25 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Flintlock1776</dc:creator></item><item><title>Deer Rub or something else?</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic30144-17-1.aspx</link><description>We were out scouting some land we have just gotten permission to hunt on for next season and came across this rub. Keep in mind the person next to it is 6' 3"  and the rub goes up about 6 feet and there appear to be gouge marks in the tree. We found tons of signs for deer, but this is something new to us. Any Ideas?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj48/csnerf/Rub.jpg"&gt;</description><pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:37:35 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>csnerf</dc:creator></item><item><title>homemade stands</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic27758-17-1.aspx</link><description>anyone here have any home made box blinds or tower blinds?i'm thinking of building one on a set of scaffolding and was looking for some ideas.if anyone has any pics i would love to see them.thanks for any help you can give me.</description><pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:45:35 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>ohiohunter79</dc:creator></item><item><title>Going to Ohio .... again</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29653-17-1.aspx</link><description>Well be booked with and Outfitter again and will be heading there October 27 - November 1st. A little earlier than I wanted but we will be the first ones there on the property. Hopefully everything works out, at leats better than last year. Talked the guy a few times and with some references and I think he will be pretty good. We will see. This year it will be only me and Johnny. Wayne is going on a guided elk hunt in Montana and Ernie doesn't love us anymore...&lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/Tongue.gif" border="0" title="Tongue"&gt;&lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/BigGrin.gif" border="0" title="BigGrin"&gt;&lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/Tongue.gif" border="0" title="Tongue"&gt;&lt;img align="absmiddle" src="http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Skins/MOP/Images/EmotIcons/BigGrin.gif" border="0" title="BigGrin"&gt;  Just kiddin Ern, I know you do. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is the link to his web-site.........&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.wildohiowhitetailoutfitters.com/&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:06:17 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>NYBUCK</dc:creator></item><item><title>pssst...hey buddy?</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29286-17-1.aspx</link><description>LOL!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/UNOZ1/DeadDeerWalking.jpg"&gt;</description><pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:28:21 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>xOZx</dc:creator></item><item><title>Concrete buck on Mikes blog</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29881-17-1.aspx</link><description>You guys have to give this a read! What do you think about it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.mossyoak.com/content/ProBlogger.aspx?z=87&amp;date=March%2010,%202008#1467" target=_"blank" class="SmlLinks"&gt;http://www.mossyoak.com/content/ProBlogger.aspx?z=87&amp;date=March%2010,%202008#1467&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the story Mike!</description><pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:44:51 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>pabowhunter</dc:creator></item><item><title>17 Sub-Species of Whitetails</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic28627-17-1.aspx</link><description>Very Interesting..........&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kerrlake.com/deer/white.htm" target=_"blank" class="SmlLinks"&gt;http://www.kerrlake.com/deer/white.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description><pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:20:24 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>BowBo</dc:creator></item><item><title>Bucks making scrapes in March?</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29365-17-1.aspx</link><description>I hunt in central fl and while out looking for turkeys I found two scrapes on March 5 i have never seen that type of activity that later in the year. Has anyone seen that in your neck of the woods?</description><pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:51:56 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>flhunter</dc:creator></item><item><title>easy foodplots</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic25195-17-1.aspx</link><description>id like to put in some foodplots on our property, but they are in a few places that our tractor cant get to. we have a 4 wheeler and a plow, but the 4 wheeler is a chain drive, and the plow wears the sprocket bad, even when tightened properly. is there a way i can plan a food plot without workin the ground up? i was thinkin about a controlled burn, then taking a ski pole and just pokin a hole and droppin seeds in. its not gonna be a huge plot, just enought to lure the deer in in late season. i was thinkin of going with corn or sorghum. will this work? anyone got any better ideas?</description><pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:40:06 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>travo</dc:creator></item><item><title>Got my 9pt bowkill back from the taxidermist.....</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29090-17-1.aspx</link><description>&lt;img src="http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc22/chadabear/mount3.jpg"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc22/chadabear/mount4.jpg"&gt;</description><pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:21:12 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>chadabear</dc:creator></item><item><title>Indiana DNR Bulletin</title><link>http://www.mossyoak.com/forum/Topic29171-17-1.aspx</link><description>Hunters succeed in '07 despite deer disease&lt;br&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Record reports of a viral disease affecting white-tailed deer seemed to have minimal impact on the 2007 hunting seasons in Indiana, as hunters harvested 124,427 deer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"The big thing for me was that number," said Chad Stewart, deer research biologist for the Indiana Department of Natural Resources. "We were guessing the harvest was going to be down a lot more than it was this year."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stewart provides details of the '07 season in an annual report that includes a county-by-county breakdown of the deer harvest. To obtain a complete copy of the report, go to dnr.IN.gov/press/2007_Deer_Season_Report.pdf&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A widespread outbreak of Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD), a viral disease transmitted by biting flies, had Stewart anticipating a significant drop from the 125,381 deer harvested in '06. Instead, hunters recorded the third-best season on record and were within 1,100 of the all-time mark of 125,526, set in 2005.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"That's not to say (EHD) didn't affect harvests in some parts of the state," Stewart said. "The southwestern part of the state had a noticeable drop in harvest level, but that seems to have been made up elsewhere in the state."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That "elsewhere" was primarily in the central and west-central areas of Indiana, especially in a handful of counties that experienced EHD in 2006.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"Where EHD affected counties like Clay, Fountain, Parke, Putnam, Sullivan and Vermillion in 2006, (numbers) all bounced back in a big way in 2007," Stewart said. "In most cases, antlered harvests were back up to 2005 levels."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stewart said that's potentially good news for such counties as Crawford, Daviess, Dubois, Knox, Martin, Pike, Spencer and Crawford, where harvest levels dropped at least 20 percent from '06. He said deer that survive EHD exhibit an immune response that can be passed on to their young, providing protection if the disease occurs the next year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other highlights of the '07 season included the success hunters had in harvesting female deer in the latter part of the firearms season and the muzzleloader season, which Stewart said plays an important role in controlling deer populations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"Antlerless deer are shot at a 2-to-1 margin over the last nine days of the firearms season, and 80 percent of the harvest during the muzzleloader season is antlerless, with the majority of those being does," Stewart said. "Without those efforts, the deer herds in some areas could rise dramatically."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steuben was the top county for the third straight year with hunters harvesting 3,754 deer. Switzerland County was second at 3,259, followed by Kosciusko (3,003), Franklin (2,950), and Marshall (2,854).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description><pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:02:52 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>BowBo</dc:creator></item></channel></rss>